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marycatelli ([personal profile] marycatelli) wrote2013-05-27 02:29 pm

throw the bastards out!

Most of the time, if your characters are discontented with the government they are under, they will not think, Revolution.  They will think, Throw the bastards out.

In the rare cases where they do want to change the government, most of the time, they will think, Bring back the old ways.

Witness how few people are calling for a monarchy in the United States.  Even a Constitutional Convention is on the fringe.  And in Europe, those who want change generally call for dissolving the European Union, reverting to the previous national structures.

They do have a point.  What's the point of shifting around the governmental structures when the fundamental problem is that they are built of human beings?  And an old governmental structure must have worked, for some value of the term "work", at some point.

Deposing the king can get icky.  (That's a technical term, there.)  Which is why they tend to denounce his evil councilors, his favorites, his mistresses -- sometimes his queen, though that can get tricky.  But it does depend on the exact theory of kingship.  In some times and places, deposing him is even the right of the -- people, or council, or something.

But those who want reaction, even, are fringe, and those who want revolution are nutcases in an overwhelming number of societies.

[identity profile] eric-hinkle.livejournal.com 2013-05-28 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
It feels odd to be reading this here on one hand, and on the other, to be reading two books on Naziism in Germany and one on the Stalinist Purges. Because they pointed out the same thing you did. That even though many Germans and Russians (along with the several dozen assorted nationalities, tribes, and ethnicities in Russia) KNEW there was something horribly wrong with 'the system', they still were convinced that everything would get better just as soon as Hitler or Stalin stopped listening to their crooked advisers.

But those who want reaction, even, are fringe, and those who want revolution are nutcases in an overwhelming number of societies.

Dumb question: then what about events like the Hussite Uprising or Revolutionary France?

[identity profile] eric-hinkle.livejournal.com 2013-05-28 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
And the amazing belief that the dictator really doesn't know in teeth of all evidence. . . it amazes me.

I've read that similar attitudes were found in Imperial China and Imperial Russia: "All we have to do is make sure the ruler learns about these excesses, and then everything will be fine!" It seems mostly to be a conviction that the leader himself surely has to be honest, even if all his servants are crooked.